The magazine shows scrapes, thin scratches, and discoloration from oxidation. In 1942 the Ordinance District requested of General Motors Saginaw Steering Gear Division take over the M1 carbine production assigned to Irwin-Pedersen in Grand Rapids. The example on the bottom of the handgrip (below) shows the circled P in san serif within a 1/2 inch diameter circle over stamped with an Ordnance rebuild P. Carbines having been rebuilt more than once will sometimes have A few of the manufacturers used subcontractors to manufacture their receivers. The rifle comes with a 15 round magazine. The smooth push button safety is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 95). During WWII the only stocks made with Birch were made by Sprague & Carleton Co. of Keene, NH for IBM (SC-B). Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine, Probably the quickest way to determine if a carbine remains in its as issued World War II configuration is to examine a few key parts. Many of the marks have damaged small portions of the surface wood. Irwin-Pedersenran into a number of production issues and was not able to fulfill their government contract. In addition, when the carbines were overhauled, the initials of the ordnance facility were often stamped on the stock. Stock is excellent condition with AA (82nd Airborne) cartouche, checkered butt plate. Year of Manufacture:1942 to 1944. Barrels were a critical component in the production lines. Bogus trolling question. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. The serial number would make it an early one too. Heck I should take some photos later. The underside of the handguard is marked with a flaming bomb and a partial IR-IP stamping which was used by by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG(page 138). However, if a carbine has all of the above parts (T4 barrel band, rotary safety, adjustable sight, parkerized bolt, etc.) The stock rates in about Fine overall condition. Newer Post , Spotting a Restored or otherwise non-original M1 Carbine. This is due to the fact that, except for extremely late production Winchester and Inland examples, WWII carbines will have several features in common. A total of over 6.1 million M1 carbines of various models were manufactured, making it the most produced small arm for the American military during World War II (compared with except stock which is Inland 1943. The trigger group is marked SG on the right rear which was used by Saginaw SG and Irwin-Pedersen (page 78). What caught my eyes right at the start when I purchased the little rifle was the unusual rear sight. This beautiful firearm is part of a 50+ year old collection! Saginaw Gear made receivers with wide locking tangs. Product Information & Specs. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B To strengthen the stock where the bridge had previously been located the wood of the type V Lock, Stock & Barrel Investments Questions should be posted in the appropriate forum. Only Irwin-Pedersen & Saginaw SG receivers were produced with a tooling hole (page 22 of Craig Rieschs book, U.S. M1 Carbines Wartime Production 7th Edition). There are some ethical issues involved in restorations, which is another discussion for another time. to the Saginaw Steering Gear (SG) contract turned over carbine production at the Grand Rapids facility (S'G') to Saginaw Steering Gear. Therefore, a carbine made by any of the other firms will not have barrels made by the same company that produced the receiver. Which Saginaw? A number of researchers and authors are present on the forums, helping others and seeking information for various research projects. As a new member I must admit that my interest in the M1 carbine was relatively limited until I found a little beauty that my favorite gun dealer had originally wanted to keep for himself. This is due to the fact that, except for extremely late production Winchester and Inland examples, WWII carbines will have several features in common. Front sight marked with N. Military Crossed Cannons Cartouche on right mid stock face. -Saginaw (S.G.): Marked Right Side: "PO" "SG" -No other contractor made these -Type III (Post War) -Could be marked: "SA" "RIA" "P" "R" -Bolts -Type I (Flat Bolt) -Inland: At Guns.com, if an FFL is Caveat Emptor! A full parts list with their markings is included in the photographs. Data collected fire carbines like the M2's. the store. Earlier stocks sometimes had their High Wood area removed. There is a difference. Generally speaking, there is nothing wrong with a competently restored carbine,ifthe fact it has been restored is passed along to a subsequent purchaser and the weapon is priced accordingly. 4 1/16" (approx.) That's a beauty! There is minor wear concentrated around the high edges of the receiver. Both were Divisions of General Motors but were located in different cities. Lighter colored wood such as birch was often stained darker before being finished. There is no bayonet lug. There is no erosion. It simply means a P was not added at the prime contractor and the stock was not on a carbine when it was proof marked during an Ordnance rebuild operation. Also, any indention in the wood at the tip of the stock covered by the barrel band should be examined. The band will have 3 spot welds. It has seen some use but most of the markings are in great shape. If these are stamped with bogus, but seemingly proper markings, such stocks could appear to be highly desirable mint original stocks. A sometimes overlooked area is the back of the operating slide where it comes into contact with the gas piston. How long ago? These marks have been oiled. Carbines have been, and still are, Some enterprising fakers have welded up very deep staking punch marks, ground off the excess and refinished the receiver. Garand rifles, though some could be used to replicate or forge the markings on the U.S. Carbines. A little history of Saginaw (S'G') and its carbines. of 0.3. Many of these so-called pot belly stocks were used on rebuilt M1 carbines but were not used on production M1 carbines during WWII. The receiver is marked Saginaw S'G', the barrel shows Underwood 8 43 with the bomb underneath. It is assumed some were sequential but possibly not all. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, Specific M1 Carbine Contractor Discussions. It should be remembered, however, that the arsenal rebuild procedures did not always include reparkerizing the metal. Used early in production. Black cherry was approved and saw very limited use. Parkerizing found on such parts is clear evidence that the weapon is not all original. Ordnance had left off with serial number blocks assigned during WWII. It is possible you have an S'G' barrel that was mated to a Stan Prod. The underside of the handguard is marked RSG which was used by Saginaw SG and Saginaw Gear(page 138). This change was not implemented in conjunction with the longer barrel channel The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. If a stock has the longer barrel channel and thicker wood but is absent the cutout for the With World War 2 M1 sling. Some were sequential but many were not. Underwood had receivers in various stages of completion left over when their contract ended. Typically these punch marks are rather deep and readily apparent. Shortages were common The right side of the butt is marked with a crossed cannons cartouche and SG in a box which is a Saginaw SG mark (page 124). The barrel flat is marked with a flaming bomb. Many were constructed using whatever parts I shaped sling cut, High Wood covers slide The one and only finish approved for use on the wood of the Caliber .30 Carbine was raw linseed oil. I'm sure it's not all original. During the production of their type III stocks in 1945 Winchester changed Saginaw = SG; Saginaw (Grand Rapids) = SG Standard Products = S; Irwin-Pedersen = IP; IBM = B; Rock Ola = R; National Postal Meter = N; Quality Hardware = Q; Underwood = U; Therefore, for example, a carbine made by Rock Ola would be There is no bayonet lug. Type and code markings notwithstanding, a slide that shows little or no evidence of having been fired should not be found in a carbine that has seen extensive use. I purchased this one from a collector freind of mine who told me it was an S' G', but with the information provided here it appears to be incorrect. Saginaw SG guns were produced from the remnants of the failed Irwin-Pedersen factory in Grand Rapids. of 0.5. GENERAL MOTORS 12-43. The Type IA barrel band is marked UP which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 59). The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. Below is a breakdown of the parts: Barrel: Inland. Overall, the gun is in nice condition. SOLD - Factory Chrome Walther PPK - Rare. The rebuilt rifles are identifiable from the markings left by the companies that rebuilt them. Walnut, Birch, and Cherry stocks were placed in raw linseed oil for a period of time, reconstruction of this history, we have a short survey on our forum (with instructions) It is only fair that some context of time be added to such comments. On the outside this stock appears the same as the type III M1 stock but for the cutout for the M2 selector switch. A M1 with high wood is going to bring a high price. There is light erosion at the muzzle. Saginaw SG took over the Irwin-Pedersen facility in April of 1943 and produced M1 Carbines using Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG parts. When did they change for from SG to S'G' markings? The elimination of the bridge strengthening the stock forward of the trigger housing weakened this area making it prone to cracks. They were located in different cities. Another word of caution is that brand new reproduction carbine stocks have been produced within the past couple of years. Most WWII carbines had hand guards with two rivets rather than the four rivet hand guards found on later production carbines and many rebuilds. the manufacture of carbines along with providing subcontracted receivers for Inland. I'm guessing this indicates a Springfield Armory rebuild. I do know it is a really nice M1 and I would not part with it. Thank you. If a carbine appears to have all of the proper vintage, correctly coded parts and doesnt seem to have been refinished, the possibility exists that the weapon has been correctly restored. Serial is 1,870,482 with all parts matching, including wooden stock and top of the receiver. Given the high volume of production, receivers were generally assembled as part of a carbine within a few months after the receiver was serial numbered. Bore Condition:The bore is bright; semi bright at the muzzle. Refinished wood is normally quite easy to spot as are restruck, refreshed or enhanced stock markings. There are a variety of reasons things may have been changed or simply ignored. General Motors Steering Gear Division. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. Most of our products are unique. The rifling is sharp. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. The receiver, bolt, and trigger group have been refinished. It looks good and has a strong bright bore. annual growth rings, giving Birch a somewhat dull, uniform appearance. Spend your time enjoying the gun you want, not getting frustrated with a complex website that makes gun buying hard. Saginaw Steering Gear Division of General Motors Grand Rapids. The barrel is stamped UNDERWOOD on the top of the barrel behind the front sight. I bought it a few years ago from another Calguns member. Barrel Date: March, 1943, Action Type:Semi Auto, Detachable Magazine. I've got one with (JJ) in a circle , on the flipper, on a Winchester. This isnt to say that there is anything wrong with such a piece, but if someone is looking for an original WWII carbine, they need to keep looking. The stock shows several scrapes, scratches, and compression marks. Any opinions on how rare/popular collector is a Saginaw stamped M-1 Carbine? Make:Saginaw SG. Common sense will dictate that a well used stock would not have pristine stock markings. S&W Walther PPK/s Review: Obsolete or Concealed Carry Gem? There are 2 separate Saginaw Gear manufacturers. It is in great shape. Some manufacturers used more than one Since many of the parts were produced by subcontractors often hundreds, if not thousands, of miles apart, the parkerizing found on such parts would certainly not be expected to be uniform. 3 3/16" (approx.) NOTE: We have added in the descriptions of parts we have of different markings we have come across over the years. Ok to answer the second part of my own question, "RA-D" is actually RA-P and its a factory rebuild code for Raritan Arsenal, New Jersey. during the time the carbines were manufactured. The M2 stocks were often used as replacement stocks for the M1's. Ths M1 Carbine has since been refinished. A full parts list with their markings is included in the photographs. The barrel has been treated with cold blue. The top of the barrel is marked UNDERWOOD / 9 43 and P. The best way to ensure an item is yours is to purchase it directly off the website. Serial numbered receivers transferred were not restricted to a certain block of serial numbers. These receivers may not have had serial numbers when provided to Grand Rapids. The left stock is stamped M-U where the sling is inserted, apparently meaning Marlin Firearms made the stock; walnut with a high wood, two rivet handguard. This included a few of the previous Engineering carbines no longer needed. to strengthen the Type III stock that were carried over into use in all of the M2 stocks. They are a little bit rare, and the price is usually way too high. Mechanics:The action functions correctly. numbers (i.e. The Discussion Forum also serves as a reference desk for the more advanced material that could easily overwhelm a website and is often subject to opinions that may vary There were 5 basic stock styles for the carbines M1 & M2, with minor variations by manufacturers that often changed over time. To provide the best experiences, we use technologies like cookies to store and/or access device information. Glad to hear it is staying with your family and hopefully they too will remain shark-free! Legacy Collectibles strives to provide quality investment-grade military collectibles to an appreciative public. DIV. Caliber: .30 Carbine. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. The fact that the vast majority of these weapons were subsequently modified after the war during the extensive post-war overhaul (rebuilding) programs has resulted in unaltered carbines being rather elusive. This website intentionally omits the information on which manufacturer used which inspection marks, crossed cannons, their size, and their spatial relationship to one another. The key parts to observe are the rear sight, bolt, stock, safety and barrel band. Yellow Birch is more dense than Black Walnut and therefore slightly harder and heavier. The barrel is an Underwood barrel that was supplied to Saginaw SG. The inside of the operating slide is marked SG which is a Saginaw Gear mark (page 65). Sent the OP some pictures of an all S'G' I had listed here last year, didn't get a single request for pictures from members, and asked two questions but had no reply. I'll give you $150.00 for it so you can double your return , That's a beauty! Chambered in .30 cal, A very scarce WW2 Saginaw manufacture U.S. M1 Carbine .30 Caliber Semi-Auto rifle. Should you own one of these carbines we may have additional information on your carbine that is beyond the scope of this website. stock was thickened below the slide earning this stock the nickname of the "M2 Pot Belly stock". Model: M1 Carbine. GENERAL MOTORS" It has been fitted with the adjustable sight, type 3 barrel band, and rotary safety sometime in When CMP had a bunch of M1 Carbine for sale that were from Spain or Italy I bought one and it is a Saginaw. I've had this M1 Carbine for about 20-years. The early Type I stock is a Saginaw SG stock made after SG took over the factory, but it was still made in the samefactory as the previous Type IIrwin-Pedersen stocks. Among the most sought after U.S. martial arms today are original, unaltered M1 carbines remaining in their as issued WWII factory configuration. The rifle comes with a green canvas sling. Parts wear out, carbines are disassembled for the sale of the parts individually. Some stocks will also be found with contractor codes and/or inspector initials on the right side as well. Until then it remains an unknown. A few unconverted type III stocks absent the bridge have What does a 10,000 dollar insulator look like? Oval sling cut, High Wood covers slide Therefore, just because a carbine retains its original parkerizing, this does not mean that it was never overhauled. The technical storage or access is strictly necessary for the legitimate purpose of enabling the use of a specific service explicitly requested by the subscriber or user, or for the sole purpose of carrying out the transmission of a communication over an electronic communications network. Some fake stock markings have recently been applied by unscrupulous people. Older Post due to a lack of original documentation. community. The U.S. Carbine Caliber .30 Stock Group Wood & Finish Walnut Birch The two most common types of wood used for Caliber .30 Carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. We would like to encourage you to share information you may have that will help reconstruct what was actually done versus planned. In addition, many smaller parts including bolts, extractors, springs, screws and others were either blued or left unfinished. Alcohol, Tobbaco and Firearms should be a convenience store, not a government agency. Are you sure it is a Saginaw? As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. This product contains chemicals known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. The ebb and flow of mass production created parts surpluses and shortages for all the prime contractors, barrels included. Everything Stamper G.S. Ordnance depots outside the continental U.S. and foreign facilities contracted by U.S. Location: Upwind of the Giant Plaster Lemon. There is virtually no color distinction between subcontractors, suppliers, members of the military or government, and others to show appreciation for their assistance and cooperation U.S. Stock Configuration & Condition:The two piece hardwood stock has a pistol grip, Type IA barrel band with sling loop, sling well, sling pass through, and metal buttplate. A few stock and/or carbine restoration Occasionally, an L type sight might cover most of the circular punch marks so close examination should be performed to ascertain whether these exist. Curio & Relics and Black Powder Firearms, Old School shooting fun! Collector references books such as my Complete Guide to the M1 Garand and M1 Carbine and Larry Ruths excellent War Baby books are recommended for anyone wishing to explore the subject in greater depth. SOLD - Saginaw Gear M1 Carbine. The technical storage or access is required to create user profiles to send advertising, or to track the user on a website or across several websites for similar marketing purposes. Underwood supplied barrels for Saginaw SG (page 50). The Carbine Collectors Club. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance requirements. Oval sling cut, Low Wood exposes slide. for you to submit by CLICKING HERE. The rear sight is at the front end of the receiver; it Because of it's size and weight the M1 carbine became fairly popular with many GI's. The right side of the receiver and the bolt light thinning from cycling. Sights / Optics:The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. Stocks with a lighter color were treated with a dark stain, most notably Birch. There is, however, spotty wear and thinning along the barrel and around the muzzle. Many online gun sales actually take away from your local For sale is Inland M1 Carbine ser# 3064171. Type I, II, and III stocks were strengthened forward of the trigger housing by means of a "bridge" spanning the width of the stock. The M1 Carbine was widely issued to U.S. Military Forces which numbered over 16 million during WWII. Letter prefixes X through XD were initially allocated by Inland for carbines intended for internal use only. 12/1/21 - This is a very nice example of a Saginaw M1 Carbine issued to the US military between May 1943 - January 1944. While a competently restored carbine can sometimes be a bit difficult to spot, there are several tell-tale signs that often reveal restoration work. .. Swivels: Unmarked -Underwood: Didn't mark them. The LOP measures 13 inches from the front of the trigger to the back of the buttplate. Black Cherry darken with age and are almost impossible to distinguish from Walnut. IP and S'G' mixed. The one and only finish approved for use on stocks & handguards was raw linseed oil. Overall Condition:This rifle retains about 87% of its metal finish. Markings: The import mark under the barrel partially reads ARLINGTON VA. How much is a CMP Garand worth? A M1 GARAND rifle is currently worth an average price of $2,024.47 new and $1,615.82 used . How much is an M1 Garand in 2020? M1C Garand Sniper Model Saginaw (S.G.)-Main Manufacture and identification codes: "S.G."-Main plant location: Saginaw, Michigan.-Average Cost to Government per completed rifle, $38.00 Rebuild marks are indicative of the carbine having been inspected by a stateside U.S. The magazine release is marked IP-W which was used by Irwin-Pedersen and Saginaw SG (page 100-101). Thinning on the trigger group. These sold for around $1.00 to $1.75 retail (new in wrapper) before the U.S. (September, 1994) magazine ban, and even less by the case. authorization to sent an unknown quantity of receivers to Grand Rapids. Ordnance also inspected Read about the Saginaw (S.G.) carbines and history here: Please don't Private Message me for Carbine questions. I acquired a Saginaw M1 carbine from a family member this morning. The trigger group is a type two pattern with the upright Inland markings on Sapwood is pale yellow-gray to nearly white. Inland Mfg - Engineering & Presentation Gifts. The gun comes with one period-correct magazine. Numbers were issued sequentially, beginning where Forgeries are a serious concern for collectors. Serial The high wood refers to the stock, not the hand guard. The rifling is sharp. Shopping at Guns.com gives you the backing To get better and faster responses and opinions. Manufacture date shows 9-43 with barrel date 9-43. The top of the barrel is marked INLAND MFG. It appears the bridge may have been eliminated on type III stocks They put on the Mauser type rear sight and milled the original rear sight pedestal to reduce glare. It is important to remember that the amount of wear on all components, wood and metal, should be consistent. The top front of the receiver is marked U.S. barrel channel (bottom), Thinner wood along the right side adjacent the slide on the earlier stocks (top) This is not to imply thatonlythese parts are important as every component should be closely scrutinized. Commercially manufactured modern day replicas of the dies/stamps used for markings are often used in "restoration". The stock is excellent with a few minor dings and scratches here and there, most noticeable on the bottom edge of the butt stock. The rear sight is a Type I dual flip up aperture. This Inland M1 Carbine was made back in 1944. 94 W. Cochran St., Suite B Sights / Optics:The front sight is a bladed post set between 2 protective wings. After WWII Birch became much more common. It is in very good condition with minor scratching and denting of the stock. We offer a 7 day inspection period and hassle free returns to ensure every customer is happy with whatever they buy from us. This bridge was eliminated with all M2 stocks and removed from earlier stocks later converted Every week we put items for sale starting at $1 ! The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. M2 selector switch, it was a type III stock manufactured by Winchester or Inland prior to Photograph has been reversed to show the appearance of markings that would be produced by the fake stamps. There is also on the left side of the stock just aft the trigger guard, a square cartouche stamp with S.A. inside the square and a C stamped inside the square below the S.A. A wide indention in the wood in this area found on a carbine with a narrow barrel band is another definite indication that the stock in question had the later type of barrel band installed at one time. The two most common types of wood used for caliber .30 carbine stocks and handguards were American Black Walnut and Yellow Birch. While there is no substitute for experience when examining a carbine, there are several things to look for that can give valuable clues as to the originality (or lack thereof) of a particular carbine. Guns.com is built to be simple easily organized products, useful descriptions from experts, and support to guide you to the right choice. The M1 Carbine contributed greatly to U.S. efforts during WWII. Saginaw Carbines made in the Grand Rapids, Michigan factory are marked SG . On the other hand, a detailed examination of a carbine is not always possible and the above parts can be looked at without even picking up the carbine from a gun show table. The T4 barrel band (with integral bayonet lug) was only utilized in factory production weapons by Inland and Winchester and did not come into use until very late 1944 or very early 1945. 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