A Stratford employment tribunal upheld a claim of unfair dismissal claimed by senior sports writer Matt Driscoll, and stated "We find the behaviour to have been a consistent pattern of bullying behaviour". Its a very long Victorian corridor full of very old Victorian cells in which there have been some very famous and very notorious criminals over the years. And its like eating rotten fruit. Im pleased about that but someone needs to tell Google. Andy: Its a wretched moment and you know immediately really that youre going to be going to prison. Jane: And when they came to visit Belmarsh, because a lot of people listening to this will never have been to a Category A prison, even to visit, why is that your regret? They used to say about the News of the World, the old marketing slogan for the News of the World was all human life is here and thats true of Dickens. I spent five years talking about it. There have been the odd conversations. Then we got word that, no it wasnt going to be, it was going to push on. "[53] These charges were made about 1 year after the Metropolitan Police Service reopened its dormant investigation into phone hacking,[54] about 3 years after the then Assistant Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police Service told the Commons Culture, Media and Sport Committee that "no additional evidence has come to light,"[55] 5 years after Coulson and News International executives began claiming that phone hacking was the work of a single "rogue reporter,"[56] 10 years after The Guardian began reporting that the Met had evidence of widespread illegal acquisition of confidential information,[57] and 13 years after the Met began accumulating "boxloads" of that evidence, including sources for News of the World journalists while Coulson was editor, but kept it unexamined in trash bags at Scotland Yard. [6][7], Coulson was arrested by the Metropolitan Police Service on 8 July 2011 in connection with allegations of corruption and phone hacking. And thats just not where I am. [36] Kate Robertson of One Young World told the Guardian "He can't do One Young World work at the moment, that is absolutely clear". Jane: I wanted to talk about Eloise now. So, although they were still pretty young, theyd had a crash course in the law and in the legal process, if you like, already. I think woe is me are probably the three most useless words in any event. And share he has about Colton Underwood from the world of The Bachelor. Jane: As you say, its high security for a reason, because there are some pretty serious criminals in there. Mar 2016 - Oct 20182 years 8 months. Not given a reason why and that you should prepare yourself for spending your sentence here entirely. Andy: Hindsight yeah, but honestly hindsight is pointless in my view, particularly when you are trying to get through the crisis. So, they made me an education orderly and I went and worked with a brilliant woman who runs the education programme at Hollesley Bay and I was effectively her teaching assistant, if you like. I had no complaint about it. Its a prison and a system thats designed to get prisoners re-engaging with society again and to prepare for release. And it is all about cues and nudges that push you in a certain direction and I just try and avoid those. A bemused local cabbie found himself sitting in the middle of a cornfield and off we went to the station. Jane: Obviously, your boys came to see you there and you tried to keep it as jolly and normal as possible, but when they left that must have been hard. Your job is to be judgemental. There was a real kind of internal crisis, funnily enough, at Belmarsh at that moment. And I can tell you, having done both, they are very, very different experiences. Series 2. I dont know how long you can give it but I want you to stay and be in Downing Street with me, which was, I have to say, enormously flattering. And that is not a good moment. [15], Coulson was also tried over charges that he committed perjury in the evidence he gave in HM Advocate v Sheridan and Sheridan in 2010. All the old clichs are clichs for a reason and that kind of what doesnt kill you makes you stronger I think is true from the individual point of view, but I think it is also true from a family point of view. [19], Coulson was portrayed by Andrew Bone in the 2015 Channel 4 television film Coalition.[63]. What conversations did you have with your older boys? Andy Coulson is Founder of www.coulsonpartners.com and host of www.crisiswhatcrisis.com. It takes you nowhere. The second, I think, would be music, which has also been incredibly important for me and for the family. That these prison sentences, you end up in a holiday-camp prison. But pretty quickly I got my head around it and although we spent a lot of time behind the door there were also periods of time when youre allowed out to exercise, walking around a concrete yard. I didnt accept the verdict but I certainly accepted its consequences. And why? Andy: We had lunch and we talked about politics, as you might expect, and life after politics which is, of course, where he is now. You try and work out what you can take into prison and what you cant. We are all hard workers. I wasnt concerned because obviously it wasnt true, so I wasnt troubled by that, but I knew that my family would have read it. The two others, well one of them got dropped and one I was acquitted, but thats the system. Thats what we have here and obviously for me Im going to say its an imperfect system, but Im certainly not arguing that it should have been done some other way. The judge himself, I think, said right at the start, British justice is on trial and when you are the person in the dock, I think you know that if this goes wrong its going to go badly wrong. Andy: Well sometimes literally all day. [34], On 7 February 2011, Coulson and his wife established 'Elbrus Consultants Ltd'. I saw him in January. Colton came . Its hopeless. I think there are probably people who think that I should still be in prison. The main thing for me is that bitterness bullet, youve just got to keep dodging it, because bitterness really does send you only one way, it will only ever send you backwards. Explaining his ruling, Lord Burns said that for Coulson to be found guilty it was necessary for the Crown to prove that the allegedly untrue evidence he had given at the 2010 Sheridan trial had been relevant to the issues in it. I think thats probably about right and so I have no issue with other peoples views about me. So I did. And I talked them through it and I explained that Id been found guilty and that Id be going to a prison and then Id be moved at some point to an open prison and then they could come and see me. [16][17] This trial started on 11 May 2015 because of the general election. Andy: Well Belmarsh is also a building thats out of central casting, if I can put it that way. [42] Coulson has denied these latest claims. "[41], On 1 September 2010 The New York Times printed new allegations from former News of the World reporters alleging that Coulson had "actively encouraged" reporters to illegally intercept voicemail messages, and that he "was present during discussions about phone hacking". But I accepted the system. And that brings with it a whole bunch of other issues as well. But as I said in court, I made a lorry load of mistakes as an editor. And to have a prime minister on television, while my jury was still out, although theyd delivered a verdict on the intercepting communications, they hadnt delivered a verdict on another charge that was later dropped. Hoare speaking on Five Live, Drive, 3 September 2010. What did crisis teach you about friendship? Andy: Yeah, always. And it was over 20 years of my life, Jane, as you know. So thats how I spent quite a bit of my time there. The source alleged that Coulson had personally listened to messages obtained through phone hacking. He thankfully survived and is perfectly fit and well now, but it was touch and go for a while and ask me those moments, you know, when your son is going into an operating theatre, compare that moment with the moment of going through the green door that I described; there is no comparison. [43] Sean Hoare, showbusiness reporter at News of the World during Coulson's reign speaking on Five Live, who accused Coulson of lying, has said that indeed Coulson did not ask him to phone hack but veiled his request in "metaphorical language" and asked him to practise his "dark arts". And I thought that was plain wrong and I was livid about it. [24] The judgement singled out Coulson for making "bullying" remarks in an email to Driscoll. [13] He was sentenced on 4 July 2014 to 18 months in prison. I like to think Im a better husband; I like to think Im a better father, a better friend. Downfall of the 'Essex boy done good': Andy Coulson's journey to Downing Street and how his wife stood by him as the hacking trial exposed his infidelity and forced him to sell their 1.65m house. And that was corrosive. Andy: No, I was acutely aware of that, having published so many of those pictures. If you have a life sentence, if youve murdered someone, you will finish your sentence in a prison like Hollesley Bay. I quite like the one-in-five theory; that out of five people that you meet, three of them will be indifferent, one will think that youre an absolute superstar and the other one will never want to look you in the face again. He had not been subjected to the highest level of vetting, "developed vetting", allowing unrestricted access to top secret material. Theres a door that youre going to go through. That must have felt weird, being the focus of the media storm? And then I noticed that the windows of the Serco van that I was in were rose-tinted. Jane: Another clich is that you never know what youve got until theres a danger that you might lose it, which must have been a very real possibility in terms of your marriage in your own head. And before I knew it, because its down underneath the Old Bailey where you get on the bus, you then go up a ramp and it was a gloriously sunny day, July the fourth, ironically enough, Independence Day 2014. Coulson married his wife, Eloise, in 2000. I mean, there were lots of theories at the time. Jane: You were acquitted. Andy: There were moments when I felt utter despair. Youve got to find your match and Ive definitely done that. The Pickwick Papers, I think, I would probably choose as the favourite. I was told, because there was a view that the Scottish case, because it was such a nonsense, would be dropped. On 21 November 2014, Coulson was released from prison having served less than five months of his 18-month prison sentence. And suddenly youre sat in one of them. Were going to put you to work. Jane: So, you have to sit there on your own. Its that judgement thing again, you know. Its a wine called Chateau Musar and its from the Lebanon and I chose it because it is really tasty and also because it is liquid proof that there is good to come from crisis, given where this wine is made. I wasnt released on good behaviour, thats the system. Which it was. Jane: So, there came a point where you thought, OK, I dont know how long Im going to be here. Then before I knew it I was standing on the landing and being put into a holding cell and then they told me Youre going to Suffolk, going to a place called Hollesley Bay.' So, youve got inmates there who have been in prison for a very long time. Youre a state-school-educated Essex lad. Andy: Probably a bit of both. There was no brutality about it at all. I think that the danger with this conversation, if Im brutally honest with you, as we sit here right at the start of it, is that it somehow comes off as woe is me. [4][5] The overall impact from his tenure came to be known as the "Coulson effect". And then youre off and youre into the admission process which, again, is not especially pleasant, I have to say. Why are you doing it now? Weve made a lot of cups of tea for journalists standing on the end of our drive over the years, quite happily. And the reason that Ive been able to, its been a long time since I came out of prison and the reason Ive been able to get back on my feet, Ive got a reasonably successful business now and Ive got some fantastic clients and colleagues, life is pretty good, and that is in large part due to her. It was all part of that experience, it's what you have got to lean on and you change and you evolve and I definitely got to that point by the time I got to prison. Andy: Well it came very suddenly. Ask me where all the bad decisions are and there are quite a few, you might argue thats one of them. And I thought to myself, Serco are rubbish at security but absolute bloody masters of irony. But more that, my conviction is spent now, its gone. Jane: So, you pitch up at Category A prison HMP Belmarsh. Im certainly not proud of the mistakes that I made from a personal perspective. Jane: Do you feel a need to keep on apologising? And keep the smile on my face and move myself and my family forward every day, which is exactly what we do, its exactly our attitude. Thats why I resigned from the News of the World and then when I was in Downing Street, Im there thinking how on Earth can I do this job? [58], Coulson's trial over the phone-hacking claims started in October 2013. Very hard to get it down to 10 songs, let alone get it down to one, but I think if I had to choose one it would be Keep Your Head Up by Ben Howard, which is a bit of a family anthem. [15] Other defendants were cleared. [2], Coulson started work at 18 as a junior reporter on the Basildon Echo in 1986. Episode 8. Monty was 12? I think that we are all stronger for it. Having to ring Eloise and say, its not just about getting through this prison sentence, we are going to do it all over again, that was probably the worst moment. Its not on my record. I was an ex-Murdoch employee in government and a lot of people really didnt like that and saw a lot of conspiracies within that, that I was some kind of stooge, which I absolutely was not. People treated us with respect and we did the same. Rebekah Brooks, No 10'S former spin doctor Andy Coulson and three others appeared at Westminster Magistrates' Court today. I know Harvey was, what, 14? I can tell you that Belmarsh is not a holiday camp by any measure. Andy: It was boiling hot and it was a glorious summer, as I said. Andy: Well, just the checking-in process because Id obviously tried to do some research beforehand. Former News of the World editors Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson were having an affair for at least six years from the late 1990s, the phone-hacking trial has heard. And there were some jet streams in the sky, without getting too poetic about it. And it was, it was a much better regime. Andrew Edward Coulson (born 21 January 1968) [2] [3] is an English journalist and political strategist. I didnt find it easy but Im glad, once we got to Hollesley Bay, Im very glad we did it. [25], Coulson became the Conservative Party's director of communications on 9 July 2007. Jane: Well, talking of which, as a journalist, we also know the picture that everybody wants is of somebody in the prison van being taken away. He added that the case against him had been a "waste of money". I felt it was a bit on the steep side but it was within the parameters, so its up to the judge, the sentencing in technical terms. Andy: Absolutely, yeah. I think it is partly chemistry and I think its partly experience and I have got a lot of crisis experience from a professional point of view. [1] He follows Tottenham Hotspur. He attended high school in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, where his father was a professor at nearby Duke University. But I cant lie about it, I also found it, I think because Im a journalist by trade, I found some elements of it fascinating. And as a result of that I met a large number of prisoners because I was helping them put their CVs together. So, I knew at that point that Id be going to prison and that was obviously not where I thought my life would take me. My brother was there and one of my best pals, Kris, and there was a lot of manly hugging and goodbyes. Some of them not even necessarily related to the stuff weve been talking about here, its just life. "Due to the unique nature of our shoreline, we have designed and constructed our own barges and tugs to accommodate services in landscaping, septic systems, demolition, and excavation,"says Arnie. Former spin doctor Andy Coulson appears in court alongside Rebekah Brooks and three others charged over corrupt payments to officials. Dont try and solve it all. No one knows in advance. Andy: Yeah, there was a report online, I think, that said that and it was complete nonsense, it didnt happen. Its definitely true of The Pickwick Papers because youve got politics, youve got the law, youve got prison, youve got journalism. It is a fact of my life and it is an upsetting fact of my life. That came not long after I arrived in Belmarsh and that was probably the worst moment. Theres a lot of emotion, theres a lot of different emotions but that is definitely the feature in prison. Im absolutely sure that Im a better advisor as a result of what happened. It was the wrong decision and I am very clear about that." Ex-spin doctor Andy Coulson found guilty of conspiracy to hack phones Phone hacking took place while he was the editor of the News of the World Police identified 4,000 possible victims of phone. It was between governors and there was a proper shortage of staff. Business City Spy: PR Week unveils its top spinners of the year. Andy: Youve got a window next to you and I just sort of turned my back. Theres also one thats totally out of your control and that is random violence. Andy: Yeah, well Id had that for years by that stage and I think itd be grossly hypocritical for me to even begin to whinge about that, so I never had any issue with that at all. Andy: Well, losing people, like we all have. And so did that help in a way? You pull up and the gates open and you know youre going to prison, youre in no doubt that youre going to prison. Jane: We now know, obviously, that you came through all of that, you served your time, the Scottish situation went away. I wont ever be at peace with it, I suspect in one sense, because it hurts. I cant say I succeeded in that regard, but that was certainly the instinctive approach that I took to it. Im a big believer in counselling and therapy and that has helped me enormously, I have to say. And, of course, we became friends because we worked together a long time and David and his family went through, as everyone remembers, some truly appalling times during the period. Jane: Did you worry that it would come across as self-serving? And I could equally say, why on Earth did you do that, Andy? So part of the evidence presented at the trial revealed that you had had an affair. Thats why I love podcasting, actually, its that its not a formal interview process, its a conversation. But first and foremost it was a professional relationship and thats exactly what I wanted it to be and he wanted it to be. How do you view it? Again, that came out in a previous podcast, I think with Jeremy. So, what are yours? Im with a bunch of other people who are in the same situation as me and Ive just got to make the best of it really. But the bigger point for me is that number of people who ran into the gunfire for me, who owed me nothing and who have become unbelievable friends and support to me and to the family. What was the apex of your crisis, do you think? Jane: Hard not to be, though, I would have thought. I wanted to hear what they were up to and they got on with it, theyve been incredible throughout. My biggest regret was the decision that I took to have my two oldest sons come and visit me in Belmarsh". I remember, vividly, a young man sitting on his own for the entire duration because nobody came to see him. . And I have to say that we never had any problems. In David Cameron: The Conservative-Liberal Democratic coalition government Andy Coulson, Cameron's communications chief, had already left that post in January of the same year in the wake of the growing evidence tying him to the scandal. This article is more than 8 years old Andy Coulson, the criminal who had David Cameron's confidence Former No 10 spin doctor is found guilty of hacking charge while Rebekah Brooks is cleared of. And that was, youve got to accept where you are. It's only the bloody Stig.This Just In is an online comedy service . So I changed my mind. Jane: You dont really talk about yourself very much. I have to say, everyone through that process, the prison officers down in the cells at the Old Bailey, could not have been, frankly, more friendly. As a result we spent inordinate amounts of time just sat behind a door. Because the truth is, for the nearly year that I was there, I loved it, Jane. So even though Id spent eight and a half months in the Old Bailey in a trial, knowing that that was a possibility, sat in a dock for the large part, theres a padded green door on your left that you know goes to the cells and theres the exit on the right, although Id spent all that time wondering am I going to go left or right, when you hear the word guilty you know full well that youre going to be going left. So when I was taken from the cell, youre then handcuffed and you line up and you wait to get on the bus. Five years that saw him fall from grace from Number 10 Downing Street to a cell in a high-security prison. And, in fact, the last words from one of those prison officers to me as I was about to get on the bus were, Keep your head down, youll get through it, life moves on. On one level its fundamentally depressing to find yourself there. Youve got parameters but you dont really know because in the end that is obviously in the gift of the judge. I wanted them to visit me in an open prison. The court felt that they could deal with it so thats where that ended. And there was clearly a view inside Number 10 that, the moment a guilty verdict came, we need to get out and start talking and I think that was a bad decision. Responsibility for the monitoring, control and mitigation of Conduct Risk for the Group. But Ive never done it in any detail other than, of course, over a very long period in a witness box in the Old Bailey. Appalling times, by the way, that are far in excess of anything that Ive ever experienced, and we became friends. I think thats been an enormous help. But there are a whole bunch of mistakes from a leadership point of view, I was the boss. Thats how I sort of see it really and thats how I see life. Jane: Between the jury verdicts at your trial, David issued an apology for hiring you and said it was wrong. I just wish that it hadnt happened. And then I was told its 18 months and before you know it, youre through that green door and youre handcuffed and youre taken down to the cells. Andy Coulson (Andrew Edward Coulson) was born on 21 January, 1968, is a Journalist, newspaper editor. Jane: In his memoir, David Cameron wrote that he was wrong to insist that you were innocent until proven guilty and that he should have removed you in 2010 until the scandal snowballed. I found myself, very quickly, saying things in my own head that I had been saying to members of the cabinet not that long before, albeit them facing different crises, the principles were the same. Coulson, 46, who also worked as director of . Coulson had served as the editor of News of the World from 2003 to 2007, when he Read More Suddenly youre on trial at the Old Bailey and youre hearing the word guilty; tell us about that moment. 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